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  Are the J.W's reaching a "Tipping point"?

  by karter in

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  i haven't been to a meeting in 15 years but my mother and sister are hard as j.w's.

  the brothers they are appointing elders are at best suspect like one guy from my old hall made elder,big time drug used before becoming a j.w his talks are all over the place and would have struggled to make m,s years ago but with at least 60 to 70 % of young ones leaving the pool to pick from is at best reduced.. 2 other recent elders both young and zero life experience both on benefits one not well at all falls asleep all the time.. the decent,kind elders mostly older and are decent people with alot of life experience are burning out fast as there are so few of them left like 3 per congro of 100 publishers.. then you have the rich elders who wouldn't ever think of inviting some poor older or mis-fit person out to the expensive placers they go to as they couldn't afford to go so they are above the r&f and the r&f get pissed off with them.

  then we have the ones who have "put the kingdom 1st" who are now old worn out and barely getting by from welfare cheque to welfare cheque that are saying "the system should have been over many years ago" it's still here and they are struggling everyday.. then there are the pioneers who have a low payed reduced hour job that seem to think anyone who has anything is totally materialistic and looks down on anyone getting a new car buying a house ect.. along with the child abuse issues,the generation change,access to information the the g.b don't want anyone to know ,not to mention the issues around blood.. is there a tipping point coming????

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  Bungi Bill

  While I would very much like to think that they had reached this "tipping point" , I have my doubts. Many have been predicting for over ten years that the "tipping point" (or similar) had been reached, but it hasn't yet.

  It seems that this lot is are a bit like the cockroaches and rats that survive a nuclear explosion - whatever else happens, they still remain. (e.g. Britain's nuclear tests on Christmas Island in the 1950s).

  Something I do notice, though: those that remain long term with the JWs tend to pay lip service to whatever the GB /WTS says, but quietly ignore the more extreme demands of their religion.

  So perhaps a decline in extremism, rather than sudden death, is how it will progress from here?
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  The End of the World is Coming.

  by Lost in the fog in

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  the end of the world is coming this year, again.

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  https://pantheism.com/doomsday-slated-for-june-24-2018/ .

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  Bungi Bill

  One day they will get it right - about 4 billion years from now, when the sun runs out of nuclear fuel!
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  Did the Jews invent themselves and Israel in response to Hellenism

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. bible

  after alexander the great died a greek family called the ptolemy’s took over egypt and the area we call israel today.

  they instituted a new form of god worship for their empire the worship of the king and a new god named serapis.

  serapis was a combination of several egyptian and greeks gods combined into one god.

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  Bungi Bill

  Where is David_Jay when you want him!

  He seemed to be very knowledgable about the history of his people, the Jews. According to David_Jay, the Old Testament was put together a little earlier than the Selucid / Ptolemaic era, but for much the same reasons that you suggest. He appeared to represent Jewish understanding of this matter when he claimed that the Old Testament was written during the period of Jewish exile in Babylon, which ended in 539 BC (and as we here all know very well, began in 607 BC!)

  Given that it was the Jewish people after all who wrote the Old Testament, their claims should be given merit, I would think!
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  Stock market turmoil....

  by mikeflood in

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  dow jones losing 1175 points today, equivalent to 4.60 % ..... same more or less around the world's stock exchanges.

  it's like president bush said "wall street got drunk and now it's got a hangover".

  i think people went irrational over investing, a correction is needed..

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  Bungi Bill

  Seems to me a bit like climbing a scree slope in the mountains - three steps forwards, two steps back, but the overall progress is upwards!
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  Is Trump Doing Better Than You Thought As President!

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  i know that some here detested him while others may have simply accepted the reality of who is president.. do you think he is better than you might have thought as a president?.

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  Bungi Bill

  VW - best suggestion I have heard all day!
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  Is Trump Doing Better Than You Thought As President!

  by minimus in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know that some here detested him while others may have simply accepted the reality of who is president.. do you think he is better than you might have thought as a president?.

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  Bungi Bill

  VW,

  You are quite correct about the bar room brawl!
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  Has the Governing Body EVER apologized for anything?

  by Wild_Thing in

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  2. friends

  geoffrey jackson testified to the arc that the governing body has apologized for things in the past, so an apology to sexual abuse victims is "perceivable".

  what has the governing body ever apologized for?.

  22 q. just on that point, mr jackson, has the governing body23 considered apologising to survivors of child sexual abuse24 at the hands of elders within the organisation?25 a. i haven't been in any discussions with regard to that.26 27 q. is that something that you foresee might happen ‐ in 28 other words, that an apology at least be considered?29 a. the governing body has apologised on other matters, so30 for me to say ‐ i can't speak collectively for everybody, 31 but we have apologised on things in the past, in other32 areas, so it is perceivable.. .

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  Bungi Bill

  It took nearly five years before they even ventured anything remotely approaching an apology over 1975. As stated in a Watchtower early in 1980, they did concede that "to an extent" they (the WTS) shared responsibility.

  According to Raymond Franz in Crisis of Conscience, this was a very watered-down "apology" from the one he sought.
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  australian of the year.

  by zeb in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-01-25/quantum-physicist-named-2018-australian-of-the-year/9363206.

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  Bungi Bill

  It is good to see academics receiving due recognition for their achievements, thus proving Australia is not just about "Football, Meat Pies, Kangaroos and Holden Cars".

  A proper bugger, though, that Geoffrey missed out. I would have thought him to be a dead cert. for the award. Chin up, fella; there is always next year!
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  You or Family at Uni? Bye bye Ministerial Servants Position

  by snugglebunny in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  kingdom ministry school.

  2018 service year.

  programme for congregation elders: file:///c:/users/michael/downloads/kms-tk18-e_no8.pdf.

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  Bungi Bill

  I can recall a prominent elder in the late 1970s who permitted his son to attend university. Somehow he got away with it, too. This person remained, and still is, a prominent elder in S.E. Queensland (Australia).

  His son subsequently graduated from the School of Engineering at the University of Queensland (St Lucia), and is today a highly respected Electrical Engineer, running his own consultancy firm.

  After seeing directives from the GB - such as this one - which bash "Higher Education", I often wonder how those two fare when applying these rules to others (As far as I am aware, both father and son remain elders in their respective JW congregations). Do they, in effect, say to everybody else "I have got mine, but you are not allowed to have yours"? Or are they amongst those long term JWs who do lip service to everything the GB says, but privately ignore the more extreme directives of their religion?

  Sometimes I really would like to be a fly on the wall!
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  "Go and tell someone who cares...I dont care!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. child-abuse

  i don't usually like the confrontational approach to those on the carts, however this video is a great example of how jws do not really care about child abuse issues!.

  the arrogance of this brother is disturbing..... bear with the video.

  it gets really interesting around the 6 min mark, where the brother loses his cool.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5chulnnyqs.

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  Bungi Bill

  Well-intentioned but long-winded.
  The JW raised an important question when he got a word in but the ex-JW deflected it.

  He was something of a "motormouth", wasn't he!